[johnliscomb]

>>it is a shame those lives were lost for nothing, mistake and lies. lives of young people who thought they were defending their countries, freedom and democracy. dead soldiers brought home and buried without ceremony. every dead Iraq tagged TERRRORIST even unborn babies. <<

Thats not true. There are many different body counts running. No one in this country lumps all of them together. That is an extremely absurd and EMOTIONAL thing to say.

>>go tell them that CIA made mistake, go tell them that the president wouldn't have authorise the war had he known all the facts. i am sure every president/priminister have their team that analyse and review every informations collected by security and intelligent department before taking action based on that information. i think they should be responsible for those lives lost not the FBI/CIA or MI5<<

I think ultimately the responsibility rests in the hands of the President. However it is an injustice to try to say that he knew full well. Some of you love to make the extremist jump from point A to point B when the facts do not back up that assertion.

[Kril'ya]

I think ultimately the responsibility rests in the hands of the President. However it is an injustice to try to say that he knew full well. Some of you love to make the extremist jump from point A to point B when the facts do not back up that assertion.

On this rare occasion I agree with John.

[kanaloa]

I agree with that also, but I still think he's responsible and should accept responsibility to some degree... at the very least apologize on behalf of presenting incorrect information to us and the world.

[johnliscomb]

i'm going to mark my calendar. Both of you agree with me on the same day and pretty much the same time???

d*mn, maybe i need to rethink my view. LMAO

I KNEW i was slipping!

[kanaloa]

LOL

I'll end on that and go to bed myself.

[Kril'ya]

Eh, it doesn't surprise me too much, I hold almost as many conservative views as liberal, it's just the liberal ones come up for discussion more often.

[johnliscomb]

>>Eh, it doesn't surprise me too much, I hold almost as many conservative views as liberal, it's just the liberal ones come up for discussion more often.<<

Thats what i get for going on assumption.

I always enjoy a good debate.

[phileysmiley]

Was quite fascinating.

---The Facilitator

[ginogsm]

Well, it apparently <I>is</I> the CIA's fault, at least according to what I know of the situation.

So either the CIA commander/administrator ( whatever ) is a public enemy and a threat for the States ( as he pulled a country - not to mention UK , Australia , Spain - into a war and too many young people died - and thus whoever has put this guy in this very sensitive office is obviously as much a public enemy asthe CIA administrator is or what ? Are you thinking what I'm thinking ?

Im an Assistant IT manager in my company. If I make a disaster out of a project who's fault is it ? Mine that I have run the project or my manager's that never controlled and checked my actions/results ?

[ginogsm]

>>First of all, the war was never expected to been this extended and complicated. And you have to remeber that Bush might have other agendas for the war. Including finishing his father's war.<<

So its also a crime to not be able to foretell the future?

Where is ANY evidence that GWB was looking to finish "his father's war?"

Back it up man.

When it comes to war planning and sending thousands of soldiers for a joyride to Iraq then it IS a crime not to be able to fortell , not the future , but how this war will turn out. How come those C. Intelligence A. could have plenty of info about WMD and not about the possible ressistance , the real army of Saddam and what the Iraqi people really want in order to start - a procedure called in the army - psychological war - that includes propaganda , friendly to the public messages and even brain wash and some short of lies - which assures an Army Leader that his men will not be more harmed than the minimum.