[kanaloa]

Also, do we really KNOW for sure Bush got his information from the CIA? I mean, if you were President and had lied about something... it turned out not to be the truth. Hell, why not blame the CIA?

[phileysmiley]

I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle of those 2 views. We'll never really know that, though. What we DO know is what the 511-page report reveals. And that is undeniable. Lives were lost based on wrong information. Simply wrong. And that is what is tragic. They were lost in vain. The Senators said it today. Congress absolutely would NOT have appropriated the funds for the war had they known then what they know now. That was their exact quote. That is what will be taught in history classes 20 years from now. The "oops...my bad" war.

[kanaloa]

It is a shame...

And I blame the Administration as a whole...

I think leaving Bush in office will only further the damage.

American needs a new start... I'll be the first to cast my vote for that this November. NO one can predict what Kerry/Edwards will be like. I've seen what Bush is like... I've seen enough. I'll take Flip Flop Kerry over War & Oil Mongering Bush.

[OsirisX]

But as the president of the United States, Bush should have spent more time confirming the info, and concidering what his actions may cause. Either way Bush is still to be blamed for sending our troops in with out the support of the rest of the world.

[phileysmiley]

It is a shame...And I blame the Administration as a whole....

Very good point. Wasn't it Harry Truman who said, "the buck stops here?"
Rumsfeld was smart enough to "take full responsibility" for what happened in the prison in Iraq. Because that is what leaders do. What his actual role was, well, it was not relevant. So, in reality, it shouldn't matter what Bush's role was anyway. He is the man at the top, where the buck stops, and it is his obligation as Commander-In-Chief to take responsibility for what happened.

[OsirisX]

Just saw the news via yahoo, *beep* pissed right now. They are dumping everything on the CIA, and that is not right. Ok, lets just say if the report that the CIA was false and exageratted then Bush, and his adminitration should have known better. I mean from what I've heard the CIA's information was clearly flawed then why didn't all those anylists out there notice that before.

[johnliscomb]

>>I'll agree Bush should trust the CIA... but I aso agree with Dean... it was overly exagerated.<<

Oh? What part of Saddam had all the right ingredients for WMD's don't people get? Saddam was up to no good plain and simple. He even had multiple talks with N.Korea about BUYING nukes.

But some would have preferred GWB put his head in the sand and say over and over again...

HEAR NO EVIL, SEE NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL...

HEAR NO EVIL, SEE NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL...

HEAR NO EVIL, SEE NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL...

Maybe some of you would feel a bit differently if Manhatten the Pentagon or the crash site in PA were closer? Maybe then the realization that we lost a lot of innocent people because of the terrorists sh*t. Newsflash to some of you. There are many people in this country who are very grateful to have a strong and decisive leader.

He may not be perfect but he has done a d*mn fine job.

Now quit your whining and show some backbone.

[kanaloa]

It is a shame...And I blame the Administration as a whole....

Very good point. Wasn't it Harry Truman who said, "the buck stops here?"
Rumsfeld was smart enough to "take full responsibility" for what happened in the prison in Iraq. Because that is what leaders do. What his actual role was, well, it was not relevant. So, in reality, it shouldn't matter what Bush's role was anyway. He is the man at the top, where the buck stops, and it is his obligation as Commander-In-Chief to take responsibility for what happened.

That is EXACTLY right.

If the President is supposed to be responsible for the economy... he can d*mn well be responsible for the CIA.

Well said...

[kanaloa]

>>I'll agree Bush should trust the CIA... but I aso agree with Dean... it was overly exagerated.<<

Oh? What part of Saddam had all the right ingredients for WMD's don't people get? Saddam was up to no good plain and simple. He even had multiple talks with N.Korea about BUYING nukes.

But some would have preferred GWB put his head in the sand and say over and over again...

HEAR NO EVIL, SEE NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL...

HEAR NO EVIL, SEE NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL...

HEAR NO EVIL, SEE NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL...

Maybe some of you would feel a bit differently if Manhatten the Pentagon or the crash site in PA were closer? Maybe then the realization that we lost a lot of innocent people because of the terrorists sh*t. Newsflash to some of you. There are many people in this country who are very grateful to have a strong and decisive leader.

He may not be perfect but he has done a d*mn fine job.

Now quit your whining and show some backbone.

Had Bush and the Administration done their job, including the FBI, CIA, etc there would have been NO 9/11.

Nuff said.

[johnliscomb]

>>But as the president of the United States, Bush should have spent more time confirming the info, and concidering what his actions may cause. Either way Bush is still to be blamed for sending our troops in with out the support of the rest of the world.<<

Last time i checked the USA is a sovergn nation and as such we don't need the permission of the "world community," the UN, or anyone else for that matter.

It comes down to trust. Bush has good people who are working for him on his team and in the CIA. He thought they had amassed enough solid information to base a calculated decision. Do any of you honestly think that Bush and his advisors didn't weigh heavily the options and scenarios before commiting over 100,000 troops to this?