I have tried another cable Augie but i get the same results.
I am looking at ways to boot from a flash drive (will study that in the morning)
If i don't get it to work i will get a Sata optical drive but it will not be until Tuesday or Wednesday so i still have some time to play.
To be honest i never thought it would be such a problem.
My other PC is all Sata cables but i am loath to pull any parts out of that because it works so well.
Thanks again to all who put info out for me.