[lowellabraham]

Hey guys,

just wondering if anybody found/created any guide to slipstream vista sp1..


thank you!

[Grav!ty]

We have lowellabraham, but it's a lot of work and for me anyway, the results were not consistent although for others it worked good. I'll check if what we've got can be posted.

There are some limitations, like if you slipstream to Ultimate, then Ultimate is what you get without the other versions (Premium and Basic) being included in the DVD.

My view has been to wait for the downloadable "intergrated" ISO from MS, but I'm not sure that is going to be made available to the public. They are available via TechNet and MSDN though.

[JabbaPapa]

The quasi-slipstream method as far as I understand it is not really that much different deep down than just installing the SP1 update

I would certainly use the quasi-slipstreaming method if I had 2-3 identical PCs or more to upgrade to SP1, and I guess the method would be better described as a method to do an unattended Vista SP1 installation. Given the lengths you have to go to to perform this method of deployment, I would personally use it to integrate my personal drivers into the DVD, and perhaps some software installation at the same time

And anyway, the same small number of motherboards that can't handle the SP1 upgrade won't be able to handle it this way either, I should imagine.

The slipstreaming components are broken in RTM, which is why you can't slipstream the SP1 into that release.

From a practical POV, and for most people here, I would suggest obtaining/borrowing a full MS-produced Vista SP1 disc/ISO

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But it will be possible to slipstream the Vista SP2 into the SP1, whenever the SP2 gets released anyway

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Oh and BTW, it IS possible to create a disc containing all Vista flavours, but you basically have to do the whole thing multiple times, once for each flavour of Vista ... / ... sounds like too much work for too little gain

[Grav!ty]

What's the quasi-slipstream method, Julian?

[JabbaPapa]

Well there's only one method that I'm aware of to integrate SP1 into the Vista setup files, and from what you've been saying it's the same one that you're already aware of. It's NOT slipstreaming because slipstreaming is broken for Vista RTM, but it has a functionally similar end result.

I would suspect though that a DVD created using this method, even if you did the job exhaustively and for each flavour of Vista, would leave some files in there from the RTM that might be updated in the truly slipstreamed media from Microsoft ; and that some files that may not be needed locally might not migrate from the SP1 into the integrated media, making such integrated media unsuitable for use elsewhere than on the machine where they were created, or on 100% identical machines in certain medium- or large- scale deployment scenarios (but even in such a scenario, I would personally just obtain the slipstreamed media from MS or from some reseller --- unless my existing installation media were already heavily personalised) --- also, from what I have read on other sites that really can't be linked to here as they are direct rivals and not partners of PROnet, SP1 integration is not 100% perfect using this integration method (but only 99.9% max. ).

From what you have suggested, Staff's internal testing would appear to indicate that the method is also imperfect, and given the inherent limitations of the method, this is not surprising IMO.

Anyways, it's the method you're already aware of, as it's the only method out there --- and IMO the method should be reserved for the minority of people who have put a lot of work into creating a personalised Vista installation package, and who do not wish to lose that work.

For the average Joe, and even for the average PROnetworking geek/expert/gamer/enthusiast, I just don't think that the integration method can be recommended as a standard deployment scenario.

[Grav!ty]

Your assesment and insight is spot on, thank you Julian. It's exactly as you describe. Something we hadn't considered is that the "intergration" would only be suitable for the machine on which the procedure is carried out and I think you are absolutely right about that.

It's a shame if MS don't make the intergrated ISO's available for public download because they would be really useful to those who frequently install as well as to those with OEM installations who do not have Vista DVDs.

[lowellabraham]

yea i hope they will release it for the public b/c as far as this link shows, its only available for technet subscribers

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/wind ... 38089.aspx

[lowellabraham]

Integrated installation: Those not yet running Windows Vista will receive an integrated version of the OS if they purchase a new PC or a retail boxed copy of Vista starting sometime in the next several weeks. See the section Availability and timing for more information about the timing for these releases. Additionally, corporate customers who participate in Microsoft's volume licensing programs will be receiving integrated installs of Vista with SP1 in the coming days.

Paul Thurrott's Windows Vista Service Pack 1 Review
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_sp1.asp

[rmb4u]

Hi everyone,
I found a utility uploaded by someone which claims to slipstream updates into a Vista Image. The uploader claims he tried on all x86 versions and all of them worked flawlessly.

h t t p : / / r s 3 1 7 . rapidshare . com /files/102799012/Vista_Updater.rar

(without spaces)

[JabbaPapa]

Right, but as stated above, slipstreaming is broken in RTM, and the only existing alternative method to integrate the SP1 into your installation media will generate an imperfect result.

It is simply both easier and more effective to just run the official SP1 updater package.

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On a personal note, I would suggest that an upgrade scenario which is both

1) far more complicated
and 2) inherently flawed

should never be preferred over the simple, unflawed upgrade files officially provided by MS.

The simple, sad fact is that slipstreaming is broken in Vista RTM, and that there is nothing that can be done to remedy this fact --- even Microsoft has failed to do so

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I would personally recommend never using the integration method for creating integrated Vistra SP1 installation media.

Although I do guess that some people will provide software and methods to create personalised versions of Vista, including SP1 integration, for use on people's own local machines --- which is not the same thing as slipstreaming, and clearly both acceptable, and outside the scope of this debate, as well as outside the scope of the above recommendation