The recent revelations in the "Vista-capable" class action lawsuit, that Intel pushed for and obtained (by whatever means) a lowering of the bar of the minimum specs for a "Vista-capable" system, leave a bad taste in the mouth. AMD has been pushing and working for years to raise the standards, and Intel's successful lobbying has been a severe blow against the Windows PC market.
Hmmmm .... aren't Intel exclusive partners with Apple Inc. to produce their Mactels ?
Isn't there some kind of conflict of interest here ??[/thinks]
What you get with an AM2+ motherboard is the capability to build a truly "Premium-capable" system for Vista
What's "Premium-capable" ? Oh, it's an old set of minimum specs that Intel seems to have succeeded in trashing at the same time that they messed up the "Vista-capable" ones for everyone
I cannot understate my anger at Intel, and against the suits at MS who let this happen --- even though personally, I feel vindicated by my decision to stick with AMD. In the long run, AMD simply make much more reliable
hardware, and without any of this awful skullduggery and customer-shafting.
Here's my take on how people should REALLY interpret the existing minimum specs for Vista :
= XP-era hardware that can run Vista Basic Edition
current "Vista-sticker" rigs
= rigs guaranteed to successfully run Vista Business/Enterprise --- unfortunately, this category includes many, many, MANY computers that have either been sold by OEMs with inappropriate Home Premium software (because Intel's successful push to lower the standard makes it artificially appear that these rigs are premium-capable), as well as many computers that have been built or upgraded by individual enthusiasts based on the MISLEADING minimum specs (SOME of these rigs will be happy with Premium/Ultimate, but most probably will not
, particularly given the explosion of the laptop market share) -- not to mention that many computers sold with these stickers are not even fully Vista x64 capable, because of drivers unavailabilty and inappropriate hardware included
= rigs that Windows enthusiasts/gamers/geeks/multimedia enthusiasts would want --- and it is a crying shame
, but this set of minimum specs was never officially released, even as a set of recommendations. IIRC it included a minimum 2GB DDR2 RAM requirement, DX10 capability was obligatory, and especially there were some VERY tight standards for motherboards and chipsets
, to ensure a smooth experience with either Vista Premium or Ultimate ... I guess Intel didn't like those tight standards
The AM2+ motherboards have as far as I can tell been specced according to the standards of motherboards belonging to this third category of computers for Windows. They can be used with anything from the single-core Semprons, via the Athlons, up to the quad core Phenoms. And Vista just works like a DREAM
The Phenoms are actually AM3 CPUs, as previously mentioned in this thread, so that a future upgrade to a future DDR3-compatible AM3 motherboard will be smooth and simple
Now, it's STILL too early to get a Phenom, the ones currently on the market still have the infamous bug --- the bug-free ones won't be out for another month or so.
If you are fed up with the performance/mis-performance of Vista on your supposedly Vista-friendly Intel system, you should in my opinion DEFINITELY consider switching/switching back to AMD when the 9500, 9650, and other forthcoming bug-free Phenoms finally become available
If you already mistrust Intel, and have been holding the fort with an older AMD system, AM2+ w/ Phenom is the upgrade you've been waiting for
And if you're worried about the supposed benchmarking advantage of the Intel CPUs over the Phenoms, as far as I can tell the benchmarks systematically fail to factor for the AM2+ platform's AMAZING overclocking capabilities ; more Vista-specifically, the chipsets on the AM2+ have been specifically designed for Vista, and AMD has IMO proven now that no : it's NOT just all about clock speeds and benchmarks
I am really, really looking forward to mid-2008 and later, when fully Vista-friendly computers with the Vista Premium SP1 pre-installed will be out there, so that we can start crawling back from this HUGE damage that Intel has inflicted on Vista and on its image among the public, including the enthusiast public.
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