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Improve the polecat view that the majority of the world have of the US of A because of it's disastrous failed foreign policy "initiatives"?
Improve the failed US economy which has consistently shrunk in the past 8 years?
Improve the minimum wage of the working class who are the backbone of any economy?
Lower taxes for those earning less than US$ 250,000 per year?
Make affordable healthcare available to the majority of it's people?
Ensure that adequate pensions are available to all those who have contributed to retirement funds?
Just some ideas...but let's hear what you think a McCain presidency will do for you?
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mnemonicj
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| Grav!ty wrote: |
| Improve the failed US economy which has consistently shrunk in the past 8 years? |
Don't tell me that you believe that the Clinton campaign of '92 to '00 had anything to do with how good the economy was in the year 2000. Let me begin to describe for you how the Democrats allowed the economy to falsely overinflate bringing upon the U.S. a time of steep decline after the year 2000.
1. Due to the Y2K bug, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of software engineers were getting paid more than the average income of a typical software engineer to fix the problem up until slightly after the year 2000. This provided many temporary jobs that helped feed the economy for a limited period of time and brought a surplus of experienced software engineers that made it harder for them to find a job after the issue was corrected. The Democrats had nothing to do with this job boom. It was set in motion a long time ago when software engineers of the past decided to use 2 numbers for the year instead of 4.
2. Internet companies were booming in the mid to late 90's, so much so that they were falsely reporting assets that they didn't have and falsely overinflating the worth of their companies. When the companies started going bankrupt they had no way of paying their debts because all of their assets were tied up in virtual property not physical. The companies went bankrupt, closed their doors, and again many people lost their jobs. The false overinflation of these tech companies was allowed by the government to the point of when it finally came crashing down the early 2000's, the economy followed suit due to the money heavily invested this these companies.
The true test of a president's worth does not stop at the end of his final term, the 4 years following his final term must be considered also because the effects of him and his office do not end when he leaves his desk. To put complete blame the Bush administration for the decline in the economy is like blaming the floor for hurting you in a fall rather than what caused the fall itself.
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imnuts
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:03 am |
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I don't really blame Bush for the poor economy for his first 4 years in office. It would have been pretty terrible regardless of whom was elected. You had the burst of the tech bubble and shortly after that all went wrong, there was 9/11 which brought everything down even further. I feel that the administration did a fairly decent job keeping things moving along slowly after those two events. However, they also allowed the current credit situation to get where it is. Everything that we're seeing now is a direct result of the current administration and it's poor fiscal management. The dollar is semi-worthless causing prices for everything to go up. It was over-valued for such an extended period of time through the Bush 2 years that it's all come crashing down all at once much like the tech bubble of the early 2000's. I also think that historically, the economy has shrank during the years where a Republican has been in office, and when Democrats are in office, the economy expands.
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Grav!ty
Graham Massey |
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:23 pm |
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| mnemonicj wrote: |
| Grav!ty wrote: |
| Improve the failed US economy which has consistently shrunk in the past 8 years? |
Don't tell me that you believe that the Clinton campaign of '92 to '00 had anything to do with how good the economy was in the year 2000 |
Do yourself a favor and read this article by Joseph Stiglitz at Vanity Fair. It's a bit old (December 2007) but pertinent to the economic effects of both the Clinton and Bush administrations
The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush
So what do you think another Republican presidency can do for you then?
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mnemonicj
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:16 pm |
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| Grav!ty wrote: |
| So what do you think another Republican presidency can do for you then? |
My major reason for voting for the Republican president is their stance on Abortion. My morals do not allow me to vote for someone who stands behind laws that allow the slaughtering of innocent children because most of the people getting the abortions were people that had consensual sex and have decided to use abortion as birth control rather than the real thing.
Countless millions of innocent children have already been killed to this date in the United States alone due to how easy it is to get an abortion in this country. Any person that stands behind this method of genocide does not get my vote.
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kanaloa
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:23 pm |
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| mnemonicj wrote: |
| Grav!ty wrote: |
| So what do you think another Republican presidency can do for you then? |
My major reason for voting for the Republican president is their stance on Abortion. My morals do not allow me to vote for someone who stands behind laws that allow the slaughtering of innocent children because most of the people getting the abortions were people that had consensual sex and have decided to use abortion as birth control rather than the real thing.
Countless millions of innocent children have already been killed to this date in the United States alone due to how easy it is to get an abortion in this country. Any person that stands behind this method of genocide does not get my vote. |
Yet sending 4000 of our already BORN troops to die in a unnecessary war is better? And your guy wants to keep sending them. And for what?
Look, I think most of us agree late term abortions are murder, but don't take the right to abort in instances of abuse, rape, incest, etc from women. That's a personal choice for her, her partner, their pastor, and their families to make. It's none of our business to make those kind of decisions for them. NO ONE likes abortion - NO one. But Democrats agree it's not the d*mn governments job to tell them what they can or can't do. If a woman's life is in danger, if she could die... I mean, what makes the unborn child more important than her? A ban is a dangerous thing IMHO. No one wants to make that decision.
And it's "funny" how you guys want to save all these unwanted kids, and yet when they are born you want nothing to do with them. Don't care about their eduction or their welfare. I mean, that's the real disaster in my opinion. It's why we're so far behind already... our education and health system sucks.
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mnemonicj
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:52 pm |
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| kanaloa wrote: |
Yet sending 4000 of our already BORN troops to die in a unnecessary war is better? And your guy wants to keep sending them. And for what?
Look, I think most of us agree late term abortions are murder, but don't take the right to abort in instances of abuse, rape, incest, etc from women. That's a personal choice for her, her partner, their pastor, and their families to make. It's none of our business to make those kind of decisions for them. NO ONE likes abortion - NO one. But Democrats agree it's not the d*mn governments job to tell them what they can or can't do. If a woman's life is in danger, if she could die... I mean, what makes the unborn child more important than her? A ban is a dangerous thing IMHO. No one wants to make that decision.
And it's "funny" how you guys want to save all these unwanted kids, and yet when they are born you want nothing to do with them. Don't care about their eduction or their welfare. I mean, that's the real disaster in my opinion. It's why we're so far behind already... our education and health system sucks. |
I understand that you have a different opinion than I do and that's why you and I may vote for different people. When I saw my daughters heart beat after she was less than 3 weeks conceived, that helped give me the opinion I have.
I think it is funny how you lump all Republicans in with people that don't care about these children, when my wife, also a Republican, has devoted her life to helping children as a Pediatric Nurse. She comes home and tells me stories of how disabled children have touched her and many other lives. Yet these children would be the most likely to be aborted due to test results during the pregnancy.
I don't think that any president will be able to abolish all abortion, but getting rid of partial birth abortions would be a good start and I know I can't depend on the Democrats to do that.
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