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John C. Derrick
PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:10 pm Reply with quote

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I'm sure I've been there. My parents and me have been in North Carolina more than any other state besides this one. Prob some 30-50 times, if not more.

I'd have to ask to know for sure about that specific spot. smilenod
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:49 pm Reply with quote

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This is kinda late but $1.64 for 89....it went up about 3 cents about 3 or 4 days ago.
 
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After the last Gulf War, there was a world environmental meeting which the USA boycotted because the main topic was fuel consumption and the environment. The US new that it would be political dynamite if they signed to the agreement of putting environmental tax on fuel. Every year since, in the UK there has been a rise in fuel environmental tax, which has cut the largest car sale by 75%, increased the sales of smaller cars (less gas guzzlers) by 80%, there are less small journeys like driving down to the local shops, and all other unneccessary journeys have been cut in half. Pollution levels have been cut drastically in all the major cities from the levels recorded in 1988, and fuel tax will always go up year on year at least in line with inflation. People in the UK are amazed at how cheap your fuel costs are, and here in Scotland where we own all of the rights to North Sea Oil, we actually export our fuel, instead of giving us what would have been the cheapest fuel in Europe. So count yourselves lucky in the US for the cheap fuel you enjoy, but i don't know if people like the citizens of San Fransisco can count themselves lucky with the amount of pollution they are suffering mainly from their gas guzzling cars. smilenod
 
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It's funny how the countries that have all the oil and gas, export it for everyone else then screw all their citizens. I was wondering, from all you people overseas..... to pay for your gas do you make like $25 an hour to sweep floors???



Milk here is $3.29/ gallon, pack of smokes for the time being is $4.95 a pack at the cheap stores. 2 liter soda is $1.75....etc.
If you don't have gas then you don't buy these necessities and others...
Rents start here at about $650 for a studio apartment...
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2003 10:34 pm Reply with quote

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It does make you wonder.

It's like the US and it's help to other countries with food. The United States (according to my History Professors) is now the only country in the world which supplies food to support itself and others. Every other country has to import something.

But wait... why are WE feeding other countries when a large portion of our own country is in poverty? Why are we feeding the people in Gajizagookakistan when our own people need it? I mean, what gives? I'm sure the guy on the corner in NEW YORK would LOVE some food... geeze
 
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Amen to that...John... smile
 
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On the issue of exporting oil; At least in the North sea, there's so much oil it would be madness not exporting the bulk of it, at least for a small country like mine. The portion of oil spent at home is a mere fraction of the production. That's why I think if we got that oil/gas at a symbolic low price (like in Iraq!). The profits from Exports would be the same, and we need them to pay for our "social democracy".
We are also pumping large amounts of gas (not gasoline, but natural gaseous petroleum). This could have been used at home to produce electricity or for heating, but instead everything is pipelined to continental europe, to keep their money flowing back. At home all power is hydroelectric, which is cleaner, but it destroys lakes, rivers with their salmon etc., lots of beautiful waterfalls have been "piped", while roads and dams spoils the backcountry. It's the same choice the US must take on ANWR; untouched wilderness or more energy.

Personally I would be willing to trade the cheap hydropower that I get for more untouched backcountry, but for the industry and society as a whole, cheap energy is of course more important.
 
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I am all for conservation as i think we are using up natural resources at an alarming rate. In Scotland we are also supplied from the North Sea with Natural Gas (gaseous) for all our heating and cooking facilities, and we also have hydro power for electricity. When there are any new roads made, they are now cycle pathways included where possible to encourage cyclists. The emphasis is not only on the environment, but the health of the populace, as far too many people were using their cars for the smallest of journies. We are now used to the price of gas, and it's just a matter of adjusting your priorities with your expenditure. I use my car a lot, and i travel all over Scotland regularly. I have relatives that live in the four corners of the country, therefore there is always a lot of travel involved when i am visiting. I do not live in a major city but a rural setting, therefore to go shopping to the largest of stores i have to travel to the nearest town which is quite a lot of fuel used per day. Oh how i would love our costs to be the same as the US. smilenod
 
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