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John C. Derrick
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Let me be upfront and honest. This blurb isn't meant to take sides or point fingers. Yes, I have my own views, but the more important issue to me here is making known a situation that is seemingly ignored by American society. I'm guessing it's because, like me a few months ago, they simply just don't know about it. PROnetworks is more than a technology forum... it's an outlet for thousands of people, many of them Americans who use and surf our community daily. And even for those who aren't American... this story might come as a shock to you, and believe me when I say, your input is also more than welcome.

I'm bringing light to a subject that even I knew little about for years. Why you might ask? Simple, because I believe education and knowledge is power to make change, and I think regardless of who you are, and what you believe, that the points below will bring a new light to an issue often kept in the dark. This blurb isn't meant to take sides, it's meant to make an issue known... because it's something we all need to know about, regardless of race, gender, age, creed, or political party.

I have long been part of the society that many might call the "have more's"... I've lived a good nearly 25 years of life in the southern United States and I owe that to my family. I come from a strongly backed republican and deeply religious Christian family. That said, it's not easy being a democrat like I am. But as you read this, believe me when I say that I've been on both sides of the fence. In two elections I have voted both ways; I put Bush into office, and then I tried to put him out. In the past 4 years I took a different stand than that of my family (not an easy thing to do) and today consider myself a Democrat by choice, it's what I believe in. Most of that comes in light of little issues I've become aware of in our society that I wasn't quite so aware of before. Call me a bleeding heart or just someone who cares, but there are a lot of issues in this country I, and many others, have ignored for generations. Today, I'm going to address one of those which recently has been brought to my attention.

The event that turned my proverbial light-bulb on occurred at some point the later half of 2004. It was then I started dating someone who suffers from grand mal seizures. Looking back, I'm embarrassed I never knew about all of this then. What I learned was that in the United States, our prescription drugs are, well, a bit pricey to be honest. In fact, my girlfriends medication racks up a grand $230 a month. Now if you're like me, and the other half of American society who earns below the mean wage of $36,764 a year, then you know exactly how hard that can be on you financially. I guess I'm one of the lucky individuals who never had to take prescription drugs, and anyone in my family who did take them sure didn't worry about it; I mean they all had health insurance to cover those costs because they all had high paying jobs. Of course, now I'm 25 and, again, like many Americans, I'm without health insurance. For that matter, so is my girlfriend. Now no one can say we are lazy and haven't worked hard. Both of us have College Degrees and both of us graduated with honors. Both of us work full times jobs, 40 hours a week, and both of us work on the side on our own business. But neither of our primary employers currently provides us health care coverage. And trust me... we're not alone.

According to a 2003 study by the US Census Bureau, approximately 45 million people in the US do not have health insurance coverage. The overwhelming majority of uninsured people are over the age of 65.

45 Million!! Think about that number for a minute, or maybe that the majority aren't my age, or my girlfriends age, but are retirees. These are people who have worked there whole life, and in many cases, still have to, because they cannot afford the medications they need to keep them alive, so that ultimately they can't retire at all. And these people aren't like me and my girlfriend, they can't just get any job they want... many don't have the education or the ability to perform the jobs I still have available to me. But to make matters worse, even those of us who can get decent jobs out of college and don't have health insurance, still can't get our prescription drugs for a decent price. You're probably wondering why.

Well, let me explain briefly. When I first applied for health insurance I was denied three times by a large insurance agency in the state of SC. Let me remind you that I have never had any prescription drugs, suffered from any ailments, or had any diseases that would warrant this. Their reason, my weight and height weren't matched up enough to qualify me. Yet there I was, perfectly healthy, not to skinny or overweight, and not to tall or short. I weigh about 140 and I'm 5'8"; so if you're like me, about right now you're going, "Huh?" But my situation pales in the light of my girlfriends. You see, she has a pre-existing condition, the seizures, even though she hasn't had one in nearly a decade. Because of this, she's more likely to win the lottery than be accepted by any health insurance company in the entire Country.

So that leaves me, her, and many other college graduates and a huge majority of seniors without the ability to obtain health insurance. But now let's address the real problem... getting those prescription drugs that they need.

I already mentioned my girlfriends medication cost in the US, $230 a month. We'll use this as an example. In many cases when you visit one store and the price is higher than another, you would likely buy from the other store, right? Well, if the United States is one store, our neighbor to the north, Canada, is another one. And in this case, Canada's "store" is significantly cheaper. The same drugs in Canada cost $165 for over a month and a half supply... the SAME drug. And unlike the US, Canada has a generic brand of the drug. It only costs $107 a month. Can anyone tell me it's smarter to still buy from the US? I didn't think so.

Oh, but this is when our government gets involved... and this is when you do hear objections.

In the USA, the FDA claims “prescription medicines bought outside of the US may be old, poorly manufactured, improperly stored or even counterfeit (fake or tampered with).”

It's ironic that these "fake" and "counterfeit" drugs mostly all came from one place, right here in the good ole' USA. That's right, we're banning our own drugs from re-entering our country. And in the process, banning all the generic brands created outside the country that, mind you, are perfectly safe.

But yet the fist continues to squeeze, as just today the Chicago Tribute reports, "The Bush administration has begun selectively seizing prescription drugs imported from Canada."

This action comes in light of the fact a few senators have gone against the grain to suggest their states strike deals with Canadian pharmacies to provide reasonably–priced prescription drugs to their citizens, legally. On February 27, Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont joined Senator Russell Feingold of Wisconsin to introduce their bill, Preserving Prescription Drug Discounts Act, to support prescription drug benefits for American citizens from Canadian pharmacies. Does anyone else find it ironic that both Vermont and Wisconsin have been at the top of the list for FDA mail order confiscations?

This week my girlfriend, who writes for a local paper in my home town, wrote a editorial on this issue. She writes, "Unfortunately, this bill is only placing a band-aid on a much bigger problem: the way drug companies are handled in the US. Citizens of Canada are able to purchase medications at affordable prices because their government places price restrictions on drugs. The price of prescription drugs is not allowed to rise above the rate of inflation. In the US, drug costs have nearly tripled the rate of inflation in the past few years.

Pharmaceutical companies say the cost of research is the reason for such inflated consumer prices. They claim that other price–controlled countries are reaping the benefits of their research and passing the bill on to American consumers. Drug companies are granted a ten–year monopoly on their new drugs in order to recoup expenses."

Basically that means Canada gets our drugs for cheap, and American citizens (the 46 million without insurance included) have to pay out the big bucks for the same drugs.

Isn't it time more of us spoke up about this? Isn't it time our government did something to stop this raping of our American society? The excuses about unsafe drugs and the confiscation are all about the political ties to the Pharmaceutical industry, and we all know this. If our government really serves us, the people, then it is darn well time they took a bigger stand on this. It's also time we, the citizens, took a bigger role in expressing our views, regardless of what they are, on this issue.

My girlfriend ended her article, "The American public, which pays more for medication than another other country, should not suffer because of bogus arguments that government regulation is “socialized medicine.” It’s time to fight the pharmaceutical companies highly– paid congressional lobbyists and allow us to have access to the prescription drugs we need at a price we can actually afford, without leaving the country."

My hat is off to her... for her words of wisdom on the subject and for educating me on a BIG problem in America. I hope my article, the longest I've ever written for a Front page blurb, has brought some light to you on this subject. I sincerely hope this isn't a article you'll read and forget about, but an article you'll remember and take a stand on (one way or the other). We all have a voice... let's make sure we use it.

Primary Source: Natasha Whitling's Article - The Star (Columbia, SC)

Sources: Columbia Star, Chicago Tribute, Seattle News, New York Times

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Unlike most issues I am not going to take a stand on this. I just want to bring out a few points that our Chairman left out. I wonder how many of you have ever been inside a large pharmaceutical research facility. Well I have been in three and I can tell you it is one of the most expensive work environments I have seen. First you have buildings filled with doctors with PH D's making god knows how much money each. Everything is sanitary to the point that NASA could use those facilities safely. While NASA has the US government funding it, the pharmaceutical companies do not. I guess what I am trying to say is that it costs hundreds of millions of dollars just to keep these places open, not alone the added cost of research. We live in a free capitalistic society where companies must recoup their expenses and make a profit in order to stay in business. Living in America is an honor, and if we have to pay a few dollars more for a prescription, then so be it. I have an 88 year old mother who I support. It costs me over $550 a month for her medications, but I do not complain. Because without those medications she would not be with me, and would have passed many years ago. If you take away the profit incentive, there would not be anywhere near the amount of life saving drugs which we have today, a large number of which are discovered right here in America. Just something to think about when you debate this topic.
 
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Well written blurb John.

Unfortunately it is the governements fault that prescription medicine is so expensive in this country.

OldNY makes a very good point. I have been inside a Pharmecutical Complex. Merck Charpendome(excuse the spelling) in Horsham? Pennsylvania. I dont remember the exact town either lol

The place was HUGE. It was so big people had to use carts to get from office to office in the main building. I did not get to see any of the ultra secret stuff, but driving around the complex was amazing. They had their own power, water and telephone companies... ON SITE!

On the other hand, I knew people that worked in a place driving forklifts in some small unknown pharmecutical company. The conditions were deplorable. The one guy bragged about when they were making some kind of pill... that he could not sleep for 3 days because of all the pill dust that gets airborne.

Which company would you rather do business with?


Another point.

Bush tried to reduce the amount that people could sue in malpractice situations.

We say in America, you can not put a price tag on human life. Yet lawyers do so all the time. A few hundred grand here an few million there.

I got some news for you too. A poor person and a wealthy person both are mistreated ata hospitol. Both sue for malpractice... Who do you think gets the million dollar settlement and who gets the 10 thousand doollar... sorry we gaveyou a hysterectomy payoff?

Bush had it right.

By doing so the medical profession would not have to pay through the nose for malpractice insurance. Prices would conceivably have dropped.

Yet everyone thought Bush had a bad idea.

"Putting a price tag on human life."

As you pointed out, our companies are selling the pills in canada ata much lower price... instead of importing them back, we should ease restrictions on these companies allowing them to sell them cheaply here.

We should also prevent insurance companies from lobbying ANY governement officials. As they are another great evil this country developed.
 
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I personally think the message is clear here. I agree that you cannot put a price on a human life, and i think it's worthy of people like Ed ensuring that medications are readily availablefor family they care for, but no government, if they have their people's interests at heart, should allow a situation where the same medicines that are manufactured in the US, can be easily bought in a neighboring country for a cheaper price. There is no justification on earth for this. There are many people in the US that go without prescribed medication because they simply cannot afford it, and if you are in the unfortunate position as a young person and have to take medication for the rest of your life, then this penalty on such people shouldn't be allowed to happen. Again, there's no justification. The will is there for the government if they wish to take it, and it still wouldn't hamper the profits of the big drug companies. smilenod
 
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while the development of new drugs does cost a lot and so does all of the factory setup and the approval of the drug, the companies make a lot more than it costs to produce it. after the setup is started, it costs very little to make it. Then the company gets a patent on the makeup where they are the only company that can make it for 7 years. for that full 7 years, the company makes all the money as there aren't any generics that are allowed to be produced. Think of how many of one type of pill is sold in a year, then multiply that by 7. then a lot of times, the company will continue to make the drug after the 7 year period when the generic is available, then they also make the generic product too, so they are still making a boatload.

while i do see where some things should cost a lot to the consumers, i don't see where the drug companies are getting such ridiculous prices when you can get the same exact thing in another country for half the price.
 
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Main problem is that you CAN'T buy from other countries... it's illegal.

I believe we should at the LEAST have that choice without the government saying we cannot. Currently we don't even have that.

A lot of this industry also reminds me of the Music Industry... clearly a monopoly and clearly more expensive for products than they should be. Mostly a bunch of greedy people.

I have no doubts about the work and labor it takes to make these drugs... but what's the point if half the people who need them can't take them?

We may have to pay high prices right now... but it doesn't mean we should just accept that because the companies "deserve" their share. Their "share" is significantly larger than it should be. We don't allow monopolies on anything else, so why is this so different?

Ahh... enter the lobbyists.
 
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Who is to say what a proper profit on a life saving medicine should be. To the people who's life it is saving it is worth every penny. Let's all remember that we live in a Republic and not a socialistic country. If you want socialized medicine then be ready to hand over at least 60% of your paycheck in taxes. You can not have your cake and eat it to. And remember capitalism is what built this country, and continues to make it a great country. Greed is not necessarily a bad thing.
BTW I am still not taking a stand one way or another on this problem. I am just pointing out the obvious.
 
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Sweden is the country that we studied in econ last semester with the highest taxes, and they only pay just over 50% of their pay in taxes, and they get everything for free. free education, free healthcare, and their welfare system and retirement stuff is way beyond anything that we have here. granted we pay a lot less in taxes, but still, most of the drugs in canada cost pennies compared to the equivilent here in the US. My grandparents are glad for their prescription plan as they would be broke in a month without it. Between the two of them, it would probably cost well over $1000 a month just for their prescriptions, and they don't get nearly that much from social security. it may cost a lot to make life saving drugs, but i can almost garantee that almost all of the pills currently out there could be sold for nearly half the price and the drug companies would still be making billions a year off of them.
 
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Imnuts would you, as a stockholder, want to sacrifice your profits so that Americans can get their drugs cheaper? It is how our economy works, and unless you are pro-revolution, it is not going to change anytime soon, my friend. anino Remember it is Americans just like us who own these companies, they are publicly owned.
 
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That doesn't mean it's right Ed.

The "Have-more's" of the country, like my own parents have the ability to take advantage of the system and use it how they want. They don't have to worry about it... and while I'd admit they've worked hard to get there, it's still no excuse the rest of America cannot enjoy the same benefits of health care the weathly can.

IMHO greed has NO place in the health system... when people's lives are on the line, money shouldn't even have to be a concern. It's a crying shame it is...

I'd be more than willing to pay more taxes for more benefits... more than willing.
 
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