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kanaloa
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Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:39 am |
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 February 25, 2005
 It's not like me to stir the pot and mix up trouble, so I typically don't do it. But every once in a while, even I can get annoyed with a product and go on a rant about it. This "blurb" is just that... a rant.
My rant, and I'm not alone here, comes against Hewlett Packard (HP) and their infamous ink cartridge conundrum. If you frequent our forums, you might have seen my ' Buyer Beware' post last year about HP's false warnings about ink cartridges being empty before they really are. If you missed it, view it here. The gist of the problem is that HP is reporting ink cartridges as empty in what appears to be two different circumstances (both of which are not really the case):
1.) HP starts reporting you should change your ink cartridges when the are about 90% empty, or so you'd think. Many people would likely go out, buy new cartridges and replace them after getting these warnings. Or, "conveniently" you can purchase them from HP's website via the link in the warning box that pops up. But the real problem isn't lack of ink, it's premature warnings. While a few people will still wait until their cartridges die, I suspect many won't... they'll replace them prior to them being empty, and again, I suspect they'll do this when the warnings start to appear or shortly thereafter (as the warnings do get annoying quickly). Personally, I ignored the warnings just once... and my printer worked not only for another day, or just another week. It lasted me a few months on down the road with another 200+ pages. "Time to replace my cartridge?"  What the heck for?
2.) I can't personally back this claim, but a new Class Action Lawsuit filed in the US will present this case to a judge. You can read the official story at this link. The argument in this case is similar to my first argument (and in fact, may be the same to an extent), but it states that the cartridges, which use computer chip technology to report ink levels and other data, is reporting the ink cartridges as empty after they "expire." According to the suit, "expire" doesn't mean they are empty; it just means they are past the recommend "use by" date printed on the box. If this holds true, clearly HP could be in for a load of hurting.
I'm personally disappointed at HP's procedure here. HP rules most of the home-user printer world, and this could definitely hurt business and their reputation. While I'm sure their competitors are giddy about the whole suit, this will leave many consumers torn over what they know and trust versus this new damaging information.
Are we feeding our printers more than just white paper? Maybe we are... and maybe it's some of the green kind. We'll keep an eye on this story as it develops, and keep you informed.
For now, I'll get off my soap box.
More Results on Hewlett-Packard...
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-John Derrick
Chairman of PRO-Networks
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~Robrowe~
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Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:54 pm |
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This is why I use Cannon and Brother and any printer but HP. Not only do they have this ploy the cartridges that come with the printers new are nearly empty in the first place and rarely last a week for moderate use. We wont even discuss the inflated costs of the replacement cartridges when compared to the price of competitiors cartridges. It is most of the time cheaper to buy a new printer than to replace the cartridges. 
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tWeaKmoD
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:50 am |
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| ~Robrowe~ wrote: |
It is most of the time cheaper to buy a new printer than to replace the cartridges.  |
I know people that do this. Actually, I made the mistake of spending $70 on cartriges last year and then later in the year I bought a new copier/scanner/printer for $90. It is very common to find prineters for $50 or cheaper, yet a black and color cartrige are alteast $45. How can that be? 
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SCgone
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:03 pm |
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I'm a believer in HP printers, but I don't stop printing with a cartridge until it's completely out. I have a new Epson at work and they really tick me off. I have a specialized piece of telecommunications equipment that prints reports that's only in black. I have color printing turned off for this reason. Oddly enough, the color cartridges go down almost as fast as the black cartridge. Epson printers won't print in black if the color cartridges are out, sooo, when the color runs out, I still have to replace all three color cartridges just to print black only.
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Neuromancer
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:10 pm |
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Joined: 28 Mar 2004
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Location: West Virginia
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| Bell1 wrote: |
| Epson printers won't print in black if the color cartridges are out, sooo, when the color runs out, I still have to replace all three color cartridges just to print black only. |
I dont know of any modern printer that will print when the color is out (I had an old HP deskjet that would... as long as the color cartridge was in there)
But epson usually print MUCH higher quality prints then HP if you get everyone in your office to turn down the settings you should save on the ink.
But of course this depends on your model....
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SCgone
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:31 pm |
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Joined: 14 Mar 2002
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Location: South Carolina, USA
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| Neuromancer wrote: |
| Bell1 wrote: |
| Epson printers won't print in black if the color cartridges are out, sooo, when the color runs out, I still have to replace all three color cartridges just to print black only. |
I dont know of any modern printer that will print when the color is out (I had an old HP deskjet that would... as long as the color cartridge was in there)
But epson usually print MUCH higher quality prints then HP if you get everyone in your office to turn down the settings you should save on the ink.
But of course this depends on your model.... |
My HP932C will.
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phileysmiley
Larry Richman |
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 4:18 pm |
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Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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 I have a 932C! It was actually my very first printer. Well, my first printer was a Lexmark but I returned it after one day. It came with my eMachines from Best Buy that never worked. It was dead, literally, out of the box.
I bought a Canon printer when I wanted a faster one, but I still used the 932C also. Then I bought a Lexmark Scanner/Printer/Fax/Copier, but I still have the Canon and HP plugged in. So I have 3 printers, including that old 932C that keeps chugging along.  It is almost 5 years old and has never given me trouble.
Of course, HP is still incredibly dominant in the printer world. This is from an article in the current Fortune (it's about Dell):

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SCgone
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 4:20 pm |
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phileysmiley
Larry Richman |
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 4:46 pm |
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Management Media & Events
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Location: Philadelphia PA USA
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| Bell1 wrote: |
| Same here, I almost wish mine would break so I could get me one of those new flashy HP's with the built in memory card reader, but it keeps plugging along. |
Knowing me, I'd buy one anyway. I still have an empty USB port somewhere... 
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Neuromancer
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:08 pm |
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Location: West Virginia
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By modern I went this century
I would like to get the epson rx500 MY mom bought one.. The thing is AMAZING
Highest print resolution of anything on the market in early 2004...
Highest scan resolution of any all in one in early 2004 (in fact the only 3 devices we sold that had a higher scan res was 2 epsons scanners and 1 HP high end scanner)
Reads all memory cards, and was the only machine to WRITE to them too
Made beautiful pictures from negatives and slides my mom had laying around, and even did great borderless prints..
But for general printing? I sure as heck wouldnt use it LOL
I will stick with my brother HL1440 Laser.
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