well johnliscomb all I have to say is,
common sense isnt so common.
famous quote by Voltaire.

"And stop being a Neo Conservative for a moment or two. Ready?"

and have you noticed you convinced no one about any of your points in this whole thread.
open minded......yeah

I think john and rippin are missing the bigger picture and are confusing some of the posters here.


Fahrenheit 9/11 is a movie. Nothing more and nothing less.

Believeing it is a political commentary, or a fact driven biopsy of American stupidity, is ludicrous.

Its like believing that machines are going to rule over us in the near future and we are all going to live in virtual reality while machines harvest our body heat to fuel them selves.

There are 2 major problems here that are not being addressed.

One is that Americans love to self-defecate. Whether it is the puritanical ancestry we grow from, or merely the memes passed off by would be intellectuals, that being good is bad, and being bad is good.

For instance. A successful business man that pays his taxes and makes very popular software, is Evil.
A guy that makes millions from stealing lying and crticizing the average working man, is rated as Good.

(It would be intersting to note the amount of people with think that Fahrenheit 9/11 is insightful, are also those that think Bill Gates should burn in hell).

You must understand, that the average person posting on these boards is probably well under 20 years old. Hell even the founder is only 23! The problem with your arguments, is that these are anti-authorative persons that want every part of "sticking it to the man." Funny thing is the are going to grow up to be "the man" and wil turn around and scold the youths of today for doing the same thing they are doing now.

The anti-bush arguments I have heard over the last year are some of the dumbest things I have ever read. There are plenty of resons not to like our president, but you won't find one good one on any of these message boards. You have to actually dig for most of them, or be involved in the intelligence community.

I have heard the arguments "No Blood for oil!". Funny I thought it was blood for freedom. See before the war I was paying 1.19 a gallon for gas. Now I am paying 2 dollars? If its blood for oil why are the reserves so low? We freed a people and lost VERY FEW soldiers. That to me says something.

As for the Argument that Sadaam Hussein was not a threat to America? They tried to kill Daddy Bush. And After 9/11 Sadaam offered 25,000 dollars to anyones family that had someone that died, while killing an American.

The 80's brought about such awful weapons technologies, people begin to think that war is merely a matter of pushing buttons.

Sure we killed have killed Hussein within 5 minutes of deciding too. But we as the world power and a decent bunch of Stupid White Men, decided that we should not try to kill innocent people.

And the stupid white men to be's (the screaming left) are proclaiming that we our losing our sons and daughters for THEM. (Remember, THEY are the enemy;) )

The tree of liberty has to be refreshed every so often by the blood of tyrants and patriots.

Things that are not worth fighting for or dying for are not worth anything.



I have wasted tto much time on this topic today. perhaps another day I can help ease the tensions on something more relevant to our lives. Not just a movie.

So any one who's younger then you have no idea what politics is? And everyone should love Bush right?

And if this is what you mean by VERY FEW SOILDIERS

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

then I guess American lives mean nothing to you.

Also the funny thing is that Bush is wasting precious money on a UNBACKED war instead of trying to make AMERICA a better place.

UnknownDarknessX wrote:

So any one who's younger then you have no idea what politics is? And everyone should love Bush right? And if this is what you mean by VERY FEW SOILDIERS http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/ then I guess American lives mean nothing to you. Also the funny thing is that Bush is wasting precious money on a UNBACKED war instead of trying to make AMERICA a better place.

Did you read my post?

Kids are anti-authoritarian, they grow up to be otherwise (or they dont grow up at all) Its not ageist, its a fact of life. Have you ever read anything about psychology, or sociology?

And I did not say everyone should love Bush. I said people should have a good reason to hate him, not the nonsensical things I have read over the last year, or more specifically since Morre's movie came out.

He had a funny look on his face is not a reason to hate him. (And yes I have seen someone post that!)

As far as my fellow citizens not meaning anything to me? I served my country, dont even try to lecture me on the value of my fellows lives.

As far as the amount of death? The number of americans that died in Iraq is miniscule for a war.

Dont belittle their sacrafice by using it to pander your liberal ideas. They are the hereos, not the morons that sit in the theater and gangster worship.

Neuromancer wrote:

UnknownDarknessX wrote: So any one who's younger then you have no idea what politics is? And everyone should love Bush right? And if this is what you mean by VERY FEW SOILDIERS http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/ then I guess American lives mean nothing to you. Also the funny thing is that Bush is wasting precious money on a UNBACKED war instead of trying to make AMERICA a better place. Did you read my post? Kids are anti-authoritarian, they grow up to be otherwise (or they dont grow up at all) Its not ageist, its a fact of life. Have you ever read anything about psychology, or sociology? And I did not say everyone should love Bush. I said people should have a good reason to hate him, not the nonsensical things I have read over the last year, or more specifically since Morre's movie came out. He had a funny look on his face is not a reason to hate him. (And yes I have seen someone post that!) As far as my fellow citizens not meaning anything to me? I served my country, dont even try to lecture me on the value of my fellows lives. As far as the amount of death? The number of americans that died in Iraq is miniscule for a war. Dont belittle their sacrafice by using it to pander your liberal ideas. They are the hereos, not the morons that sit in the theater and gangster worship.

What you said about kids being anti-authoritarian is based on this conversation about Bush, and I must conclude that you've based on your "facts" on how some of us does not support Bush. And there are plenty of reasons people would be against Bush, we've lost our credibility with the world because of this war that Bush started, there are still MANY american's who are unemployed, and we've also lost the respect that we once had in the World, again becuase of this war. And you've served US and I respect that but do you really know what the thousands of families had to endure because of this war? And I understand that there are always casuaties in a war, BUT if it weren't for Bush and his rash actions we may have found some way to gain the support of the Untied Nations for the war, and the American casuaties would have been greatly decreased.

And I certainly hope that you aren't suggesting that the soildiers aren't dying because of us liberals who are gangansters and morons.

There never was going to be support from the united nations.

There was too much financial gain to be had by the likes of France, Germany and Russia (among others) to maintain the trade embargo.

Do you know how many billions of dollars europe made with the oil for food scandal?

And I apologize if I came across as snotty, I was not precluding my thoughts based solely on one site. It seems everywhere I go lately people are making nosensical statements.

As far as kids being anti-authoritarian, that is based on sociology, my own life, and the reading of countless posts across many forums.

There are always exceptions to the rules, and did not mean to lump any single person in with a typecast.

Everyone may feel free to think they are the exception to the rule. It is the other Guy.

I to fall prey to this rule though. I am not the fist in the air, screaming for change punk rocker I once was. I have turned into an old conservative fart.

All I can say is that politics is evil.......

Very interesting thread. My $.02 says MM is a jerk!

Way to go Joni! =D I knew i liked you for some reason besides your jokes.

LOL Looks like my post of two days ago "killed" this thread